05.02. Chaos Order? p2
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05.02. Chaos Order? p2
From: afgm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fra Semper Non Sequitur)
An added elaboration is to draw a distinction between Chaos and
disorder. To me, Chaos is a level above the artificial distinctions
of either order/disorder. Hence, to say Chaos (in the higher sense)
contains order is meaningless, but equally to say Chaos contains
disorder is meaningless (both being eqully illusory).
However, in a less lofty sense, I say again that Chaos contains order
and disorder, organization ( eg the human body / colony of ants),
disorganization ( muddy water), and plenty of it.
She aint your average everyday type Goddess.
The upshot :
1) With Chaos as above,the fount of all, terms such as
(dis)organization are quite meaningless. Take neither term.
2) With Chaos as below,the 'natural' world, terms such as
(dis)organization are uesfull only in pairs. Take both of them.
3) With whatever Chaos, to dismiss organization and have only
disorder, is a bizarre worshipping of a single side of a polarity,
eg Christianity. Take both or neither.
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From: cipher@pentagon.io.com (Rev. Dr. J. B. Bell)
Some people have been debating whether all Chaos magick must of
necessity be anarchic.
I think the answer is, clearly not. I personally think of Order as a
subset of Chaos. Complete *dis*order is merely entropy, and just as
boring and awful as total anal-retentive Order. What makes the whole
of chaos interesting is the contrast between the schmuzzle and the
foamy, intricate bubbles of Order. They form spontaneously, and
break down just as unpredictably.
The point, I think, of Chaoism, or at least *my* Chaoism, is not to
eschew order, but simply to understand its transitory nautre and use
that. I may be a Chaos magician, but I rather dig *perversely*
orderly things like Kabbalah. They're so incredibly ordered,
they're chaotic!
Another point of Chaoism (how could it be *the* point anyway?): Have
Fun. If you need some order to have fun, you should summon it--then,
when you're done, dispose of it, don't worship it because of what it
did for you.
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From: raudlee@xyplex.com
Chaos can be beautiful and good. Order can be dangerous and evil.
As any carpenter will tell you, some tools are dangerous. Dangerous
tools are safest when properly sharpened, and used by experts.
You get to be an expert by practicing your sharpening skills,
not by hacking away.......
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
I'd say that written rules are at their most useful when,
in fact, they *subvert* order. Look at the U.S. Constitution, the
Magna Carta, Civil Rights legislation, and so on. People are still
arguing over the Second Amendment...
Unwritten rules are used far more often to maintain order, since they
are implicit parts of a world-view, rather than explicit concepts
which can be critically examined. Examples are discrimination based
on race, sex, or academic qualifications, religious bigotry,
and so on.
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